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  1. Bismillah Alhamdulillah, I have an article for you all... It is long but has the scholarship necessary to answer this question: "AGE OF AISHA (RADIALLAHU ANHU) AT THE TIME OF HER MARRIAGE. Often a disputed subject, I hope this information can remove the common concerns people raise. And Allah Almighty is the source of truth. To begin with, it should be the responsibility of those who believe that Aisha’s marriage took place at age nine, to provide a few examples or historical evidences to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where any girl below the age of ten was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was the social tradition. In my opinion, the age of Aisha (RA) has been grossly misreported in the Ahadeeth. It clearly seems that the narratives reporting Aisha’s age during her marriage are not only unreliable, but also on the basis of many other historical evidences, very unlikely. Hence, let us analyze this issue and look at it from an objective stand-point. - Most of such narratives are only by Hisham ibn ‘urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well-known as this, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three. - It is quite strange that no one from Madinah where Hisham ibn ‘urwah lived the first 71 years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Madinah his pupils included people as famous as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq where Hisham is reported to have had moved after living in Madinah for 71 years. - ‘Tehzibul-tehzib’, one of the most well-known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the Sunnah reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “Narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq.” It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through the people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 – 51) - ‘Mizanul-ai’tidal,’ another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when Hisham was old, his memory suffered a lot. (vol 4, pg 301 – 302) - According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha (RA) was born about 8 years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitabul-tafseer), Aisha (RA) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th surah of the Qur’aan was revealed, “I was a young girl.” The 54th surah of the Qur’aan was revealed 9 years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Aisha (RA) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn’urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn’urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate. - According to a number of narratives, Aisha (RA) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of Hadeeth and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Aisha’s (RA) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not 9 or 10 years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them. - According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Aisha was 10 years older than Aisha. It is reported in ‘Tari’bul-Tehzib’ as well as ‘Al-bidayah wa’l-nihayah’ that Asma died in 73 Hijrah when she was almost 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 Hijrah, she must have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah. And if Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Aisha must have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha (RA), if she got married in 1 AH or 2 AH, was 18 to 20 years old. - Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr, reports that Abu Bakr had 4 children and all 4 were born during the Jahiliyah (pre-Islamic) period. Obviously, if Aisha was born in the period of Jahiliyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH .. the time she most likely got married. - According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Aisha (RA) accepted Islam quite sometime before Umar bin Khattab. This shows that Aisha became a Muslim during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Aisha’s marriage at 7 years of age is held to be true, Aisha could not have been born during the first year of Islam. - Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mutam with whose son Aisha was engaged, and asked him to take Aisha in his house as his son’s wife. Mutam refused because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son’s engagement with Aisha was terminated. Now, if Aisha was only 7 years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Aisha (RA) had not only been born 8 years before Hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage. - According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (RA), when Khaulah came to the Prophet (Pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a divorcee (thayyib).” When the Prophet (pbuh) asked who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Aisha’s name. All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word ‘bikr’ in Arabic is not used for an immature 9-year-old girl. The correct word for a playful little girl, as stated earlier is ‘Jariyah.’ ‘Bikr’ on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a 9-year-old is not a “lady.” - According to ibn Hajar, Fatimah was 5 years older than Aisha. Fatimah is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Aisha could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of Hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage. These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Aisha’s (RA) age at the time of her marriage. From the ISLAMIC REVIEW: (1) The well-known historian ibn Jareer al-Tabari writes at page 50 of volume 4 of his ‘Book of History’ : “Abu Bakr married two ladies in the days of Jahiliya. Fateelah, daughter of Abd al-Aza was the first from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Umm-i-Rooman was the second, from whom Abd al-Rahman and Aisha were born. All 4 children of Abu Bakr were born in the days of ignorance (Jahiliyah, i.e. pre-Islamic days) from the above-named two ladies. (2) It is a well-known fact of history that Abu Bakr’s son Abd al-Rahman fought against the Muslims in the battle of Badr. His age at that time was 21-22 years, and although he was older than Aisha, there is no evidence to show that the difference between their ages was more than 3 or 4 years. This fact lends support to the view that Aisha (RA) was born 4 or 5 years before the Call. (3) The author of the well-known collection of Hadeeth ‘Mishkat al-Masabeeh,’ Sheik Waheed-ud-Deen writes in his renowned book ‘Ahmal fi Asma ‘ al-Rijjal’: “At the time of the consummation of her marriage, Sayedah Aisha’s age was not less than 18-19 years.” All the above quotations give ample refutation to the common misconception that Aisha’s age at the time of her Nikah was six years and at the time of her marriage only nine years. In the opinion of all perceptive historians and scholars, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage below 12 years of age, nor did the Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated. If Muslim scholars of the present era deem fit to make an objective research instead of beating the old track, they will find ample material in the pages of history to arrive at the correct age of Aisha (RA) during the time of her marriage. May Allah (Subhan Wa’Tala) continue to help us confirm authentic knowledge. And Allah (Subhan Wa’Tala) is the source of truth. Allah-o-Alim." Insha'Allah this helps. All Good is from Allah. Any mistakes were mine. Astaghfirullah. As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
  2. Bismillah As salam alaikum In Safi-ur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri's Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar), it says that the Prophet freed his slaves before dying (Chapter titled The Journey to Allah, the Sublime, page 477 in the english version). "On Sunday, a day before he died, The Prophet saws set his slaves free, paid as a charity the seven Dinars he owned and gave his weapons as a present to the Muslims (477)." As salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
  3. Bismillah As salam alaikum May news like this keep us trudging for the sake of Allah. ALLAHU AKBR! As salam alaikum
  4. Bismillah The hijab is not a religious symbol as the west sees it like a cross. It is a method that muslim women use to protect their modesty. For some removing the hijab in front of nonpermissible men is like some Western women removing their tops in public. You may find this absurb but remember that you were not brought with the level of modesty. Try wearing the other person's shoes... or head scarf if you will. Peace
  5. Bismillah "I don't know what the consequences are of premarital sex is Dan, can you elaborate ?" Number one I think would be a child. I fully believe that the best environment for raising children is with both the father and mother. Second would be greater risks of diseases. Those outside of marriage are more likely to have multiple partners than those who are married. More likely being the key words. Third is the emotional baggage that one obtains through various intimate and sexual encounters. This is mostly an oberservance of myself and my peers. It is hard to deny that previous relationships affect how one behaves in later ones. There could be more but these are the ones right off the top of my head. Of course in my religious beliefs there are much more consequences such as the grave sin and the drifting away from God. These are the consequences that I worry about the most. I mentioned these other things though so that you would hopefully agree with them.
  6. Bismillah As Salam alaikum. Is there anyway someone could translate this for me or at least give me a summary, please? jazak Allah Could some background information be provided as well? Sorry. May Allah Reward you for helping me! As Salam alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
  7. Bismillah The Prophet no longer married anyone else after the revelation that only four wives were permitted. I know you will say that this is quite convenient. But the nature of the revelation, its style grace, and grammar is such that Arab speaking people agree that at the very least there is nothing like the qur'an before or since. This is one of the signs that it is from Allah. The minute amount of arabic that I have learned gives me glimpses of this miracle. I know you will probably not go out and learn arabic so you will have to accept the uniqueness of the Qur'an in the realm of language as a given. It is used in many nonmuslim arabic classes due to its remarkable majesty. "As a mans wife gets older, the wife's libido slows down, the mans doesn't, (he's still as horny at 50 as he was at 20) and perhaps wants to satisfy his urges with a more willing partner." I have actually read research claiming the opposite, not to say there are not some randy old men out there. As a man gets older his testasterone levels drop, which changes the estrogen to testasterone ratio. As a woman gets older and experiences menopause her estrogen levels drop, changing her estrogen to testasterone ratio. This ratio is part of the urges that people feel. The greater the test to estr ratio,the more lustful one feels. The less test to estr,there is less sexual desire. I could be more detailed about the endocrinology but this is more of a side bar than a main point. A quick frowning occured at the mention of Iran but no metaltisity going on here. (like my new word :confused: ) I used to work for a youth rehabilitation center (kid jail) for fourteen to seventeen year olds. Not one of them was a virgin. I am not looking for a fourteen year old wife or anything close to it. I live in a country where the age of marital consent is eighteen and I abide by that law. My point is that youths are having sex at this young age now. I have no real stance because I never have reflected on this issue. I may have to do that. My question though is what is better youths committing to one another at an early age or having to wait and suffer the consequences of premarital sex? Once again, I have not thought about this but this discussion provoked this question. Insha'Allah there was something productive in all that? Astaghfirullah
  8. Bismillah No. You do not seem to undestand the FACT that Sunni and Shia are very different in many many ways. I have no knowledge about Shia to where I would feel any level of comfort discussing their methods and beliefs. I also do not approve of Shia and Sunni being lumped together as the same type of Islam. That is why I have not responded. I have tried to express this before and I guess was unsucessful in putting it in a manner in which you would understand how I feel. Allah Forgive me.
  9. Bismillah As Salalm alaikum It seems our ummah has fallen into the habit of wanting to fix problems after they occur instead of preventing them in the first place. If you keep the television and radio out of the house while the children are younger, they are less likely to gravitate towards it later. That though calls for sacrifice on our parts. We have to give up OUR televsion watching. Children follow their parents. Many good brothers at the masjid talk foundly of their fathers who were good role models for them growing up. We need to stop just speaking Islam and actually live it. As Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu
  10. Bismillah Are the wearing of crosses and crucifizes also banned? Yarmulkes allowed also? To me this would point out bias or an attempt at true secularism.
  11. Bismillah open, Lord thine eyes, and see You read this as only a prayer? To attribute to God what He does not attribute to Himself is a horrible sin in Islam and this phrase is saying that God needs to open His eyes to see. Did God ever tell us that they were closed? How is this assumption made when God tells us that He is All-Seeing? If you lose something and ask for help and the other person says, "Open your eyes and look." Do you not take offence at that? How much greater an offence to tell God that. I would like you to keep filling me in on the other verses. I want to know about how God has to be commanded to wake up. I am also curious about His poor judgement in messengers in the Bible. In Islam these are actually false accusations attributed to Allah's prophets. Hope the business is doing good.
  12. Bismillah So just this one is wrong? Not bad.
  13. Bismillah No you cannot. If a muslim is telling you that you cannot complare, who are you to tell them that yes you can? The United States claims to be a democracy but the reality is that it is a representative republic. The point I was trying to make about Ireland and Scotland was missed as well. I know little about Scotland. I know little more about Ireland. If I started to compare the two and you said that I could not, I would have to take your word on it due to the obvious fact that you are more privy to information. Catholics would beg to differ if you claimed that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was the same so that everything they did you claimed the other did as well. Have you done any research on Shi'ite besides what you see on television? There are major schisms between Sunni and Shi'ite. Check it out. It seems that your vacation let your mind go back it its old thinking pattern, nitpicking the little and not listening to what is being told to you. If you are hear to learn, then why is it that when someone tells you something you say they are wrong? If you know everything already and your mind is made up, then why waste your time? I purposely did not respond to your request because this is a major claim on your part which must be cleared up before further discussion can continue.
  14. Bismillah I have noticed the number one country that you use for Islam is Iran. That is a Shi'ite government. I am not. I'm Sunni. What they do, condone, say, or how they act cannot be used in a dialogue with me. I would not use Ireland as a source of information to talk about Scotland. No matter how close people associate them.
  15. Bismillah No. Islam addresses what Jesus will say on Judgement Day.